Unfortunately, Eric was able to channel Dylans experiences and psychology into a violent act that would take not only his own life, but the lives of many others. Weren't they in a small group of rebellious kids? It's still about management. Even still, he seemed happy and had a handful of close friends. Other way around. You have no right to disrupt someone else's place of business. I am certain that Sue no longer lives there but she still does visit the house as two Columbiners took a Columbine/E &D tour" in Jan .or Feb and saw Sue outside the house as they drove by. . I cannot have my uzzer patrons being upset. I think those that readily (and outrightly) blame the parents are inclined to do so as to perpetuate some aspect of control, otherwise the shear nature of the case becomes too frightening. This thread is going to hell in jig time if it turns into the all-too-familiar "they were running up and down the aisles and that caused Columbine!!!" Byron indicated the last time he saw Dylan was on their father's birthday. As a reporter scribbled, Hooker reconsidered. Eric Harris was 17 and a hottie. Eric David Harris and Dylan Bennet Klebold were a pair of school shooters, bombers, and mass murderers responsible for the April 20, 1999 Columbine High School Massacre in Columbine, Colorado, which killed thirteen people and wounded 21 others before ending with both of their suicides. But perhaps he/she IS a charter member of the Reb&VoDKa fan club - and you're just going to IGNORE it? Dylan and Robyn had fun. It's up to me what I do with it. Dylan was behaving differently, getting in more trouble, not always acting like himself. She didn't do anything that would be perceived as spying. Sue suggests that for someone as sensitive to humiliation and loss of control as Dylan, these types of events may have made a big influence on him, and created a bond between the boys. Maybe that's what I find so scary about the whole thing, that there are people who walk around, every day, and are completely lacking in everything that I thinks makes us human. Attention was paid. Here, let me get your coats for you. But she came to realize the truth was far more troubling. From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. Kids do know about their frineds. Those kids were their responsibility legally. When he heard reports of gunmen in trench coats rampaging through Columbine High, it's reported, that Thomas Klebold (the father of Dylan) contacted authorities, because he suspected his son might be involved and offered his help as a negotiator.. He did it in contradiction to the way he was raised.. Harris's father erroneously stated that his son was "a member of what they call the Trenchcoat Mafia" in a 9-1-1 call he made on April 20, 1999. (21 at the time). People can be fooled. To be clear, I'm sure the Klebold's obviously loved their children, but reading Dylan's writings, there was more going on in that home that Sue would say today. VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. multiple newspapers and media outlets in the days after reported dylan and his father having the kind of relationship where, when dylan would come home from school, they would share a snack and read the sports section of the newspaper together. His parents didnt understand the full extent of it, but high school wasnt turning out to be a kind place for him. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Bit of a warning, it's a PDF file. Very,very sad but not surprising.The majority of parents who have lost a child end up splitting up.No matter how much they loved each other or how strong of a relationship they had before the tremendous strain and grief is often too much to endure. Really just the gerden variety sociopath stuff? In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most serial killers/mass murderers had excessive discipline rather than lenient upbringings. But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. i dont particularly envision tom to be the type of parent to humiliate or pressure his sons. You unterstand. We relate. Younger brother to Kevin Harris (21 at the time). I honestly do believe (and so does mom) that his brain has been rewired primarily by a head injury he sustained when he was just toddling. 5 feet 6.5 inches tall, 135-140 pounds. Her son's name became famous when in 1999 he became one of two direct perpetrators of the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history. Harris also had sadistic tendencies, which propelled him to "seek vengeance.". Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. Sue Klebold, whose son Dylan, 17, went on a shooting rampage with his friend Eric Harris, 18, at their high school in Colorado in 1999, . No scientist knows this absolutely. Goodbye. They were not the mainstream group. We didnt realize it until after the end, Tom Klebold said. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds . They acknowledged they missed signs that their son was in trouble. "If a person was denying it, he would say, 'One of . Parents are not automatically responsible for the behavior of their teenage children. The Harrises moved away almost immediately. Eric: "Susan, sorry. Eric Harris was beyond needing a therapist. "Doctors" can profit, too, financially, when their names are attached to certain "studies.". Haven't most of you been able to conceal your homosexuality from your family for a number of years? Those kids were their responsibility legally. And then later on, how was he able to conceal his mental state so successfully? No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. Guns and weapons? R17, would you call yourself more of a Harris or more of a Klebold? Jefferson County Public Schools officials have consistently denied that bullying was tolerated or that athletes received special treatment. I kind of admire that. He injured 2 students before his gun jammed and he was arrested. Well, Mrs. Klebold is quite the victim, isn't she? School officials, law enforcement, and the adult community learned a lot after Columbine and are doing a better job of detecting trouble. Isaiah's father said. I'm not saying that there's no guilt, no responsibility, because no matter how our brains are wired, we're all creatures of free will and able to make moral choices, but to lay everything at the feet of society, or the parents, or the school, is way, way too simple. That's the first thing. . ", Eric: (eventually) "That's it. Sociopaths who undergo training often use that training to fake being normal in order to better manipulate people. Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters who committed the Columbine High School massacre, murdering 12 students and a teacher. I think he suffered horribly before he died, Susan Klebold said. Funny how things cycle.". He was enrolled in a program for juvenile offenders run by the county court, he was taken to a psychiatrist and given both therapy and medication. "This is my (completely layman's) opinion, but I've always figured that we have more or less tamped down the "How" of the brain, but we're still working on the "Why" of the brain.". Kids hide things. She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. Per the other Columbine thread, I'm in the midst of reading Dave Cullen's "Columbine." That doesn't make them monsters. They may show cruelty to animals, or alternatively a high degree of affection or attachment to animals. Although in their rantings, they seemed to have special hatred for fags, and various other epithets for minorities that I don't even like to write, let alone speak. Who is "limiting" the discussion to the brain? As his father's career pulled him out of schools and away from friends leaving Plattsburgh, New York in 1993 for Colorado Harris increasingly retreated into the computer and . Based on what I've read so far, he's working off the assumption that Klebold was a depressive with self-destructive tendencies (he mentions suicide over and over in the journal kept for two years prior to the incident), and that Harris was a full-blown psychopath. The couple said they felt under siege after the shooting and never had a chance to grieve for their son. May 15, 2004. But you also can't argue with success. R71, having seen Patti Lupone shit all over Gypsy, I can assure you, there's a Hell. You're far too stupid to ever see that though. I've always felt sorry for Dylan, who seemed so lost and depressed. Sue Klebold broke down in tears as she remembered the funeral of her son Dylan. The attack on Columbine is almost a prototypical school shooting, but one way in which it stands out is that it was committed by two people together. You can't learn to feel if you don't. FULL DOCO - PT 2 OF 3, 2. How can that not bother you? I'm glad Oprah isn't going to help this man promote his book. Most shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place. if anyone can correct or find the sources for me that would be greatly appreciated! Think of kids who commit suicide - often you hear their family say, "We had no idea." We are ich bin auslander! I believe it was either a sibling or playmates. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Adding to the tragedy: Six months after Hochhalter's wounding, her mother, Carla, took her own life. On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold stormed into Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado and murdered 13 people before killing themselves. So he called me and offered to go to the school in hopes of negotiating with Dylan. i think he was also quoted saying that he had lost his best friend. A 'Gentle Boy,' His Parents Told Investigators, Klebold Was Enrolled in an Elementary School Program for High Intellectual Potential Students. Both Adam and Dylan seemed to have good relationships with their moms (though Adam actually ended up killing his mother the day of the shooting), both struggled in school (Adam actually switched schools a few times. Theres to me a level of skepticism we have usually of course with the scraps of info we had, but also the slight weirdness/more to it/unreliability when it came down to this particular topic, Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylans best friend. In 1997 Wayne Harris, Eric's father, started logging all of his son's problems. By David Brooks. Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . When asked about Dylan's behavior, Byron indicated that Dylan appeared to be somewhat detached and he went on to explain that as a "pissed off teenager." Byron went on to state that Dylan gave no indication to believe that something like this was going to occur. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had openly admired Adolf Hitler. I have cousins who did shit like this - what was I supposed to do, call the cops and tell them to search their bedrooms because they might be crazy? Both are from Columbus, Ohio and went to Ohio State University. They could still have been on the outskirts of the school. I couldn't put the book down, and even though I thought I knew the ending of the story, or at least most of it, I have to admit, the last couple of chapters, specifically the one detailing the Basement Tapes, and the one about what had happened leading up to Harris and Klebold committing suicide were fucking frightening. Dylan Klebold was suicidal for several years before Columbine. But 936 pages of evidence taken from the killers' homes and cars were released by the Jefferson County Sheriff's office on Thursday, and a notebook kept by Eric's father . R77, there are people who don't have feelings. Harris was a sociopath. r109 is quick to dismiss r108 as a "troll". The school shooting took place on April 20, 1999 at . After sitting and waiting for 13 hours, I just needed to get home. "So we're back to Pavlov and Skinner. As the son of a geophysicist father and a mother who worked with the disabled, his upper-middle-class upbringing and well-meaning family didn't seem like contributing factors to his eventual killing spree.
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